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Re: anyone know if greg goes back to tigers
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Quote from: Alex on Apr 6, 2009, 12:14
Perhaps you were not watching the same show as some of us.
You think lying to the Tigers and swimming over to Sharks to get some one on one time with the new arrival isnt manipulative ?
I personally dont think Adam had a fair chance ..... he was again manipulated by the Sharks when Xanthi and Maz took him to one side and told him how great the Sharks and Greg were. Greg maywell have said he would have a great time on Tigers but since he spent most of his time making sure Adam picked Sharks there was hardly anyroom for the Tigers to try and win him over to there island.
Why should Danny have NOT reacted the way he did there in camp trying to win a new arrival over and Greg buggers off with out a word to shout across the lagoon to The Sharks at which point Adam follows to see what the commotion is about.
Perhaps some Shark supporters cant see that when it comes to being manipulative and sneaky in trying to win new arrivals its generally them. Only thing is the Sharks are more clever in the way they go about it.
Danny is entitled to react however he wants. He is a competive person and is a proud Tiger, so his reaction was in some ways understandle. But given he took Greg from Sharks I would have thought he might have been a bit more diplomatic. But he wasnt and that is his right. But given that it
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his reaction, to then say that Tigers were very supportive of Greg's situation is not in any way accurate. From what we saw some were, some werent.
"You think lying to the Tigers and swimming over to Sharks to get some one on one time with the new arrival isnt manipulative ?"
I dont believe I said there wasnt maniputlation on Greg's part. Infact he admitted it himself. Why shouldnt he fib to them? he didnt ask to be taken to their island. What I do think is that manipulation isnt something that comes naturally to Greg. For a start he admitted out right to Adam his intentions, but said that he wasnt going to go through with it because it isnt him to behave that way then proceded to tell him how nice the Tigers all were and that he would have a great time. Not exactly machevalian behaviour.
Greg is a nice guy who was put in a situation he didnt ask to be in. He responded by acting a little against charachter but good for him I say. The rules of the game changed this week and Greg played it better than Tigers. Danny said fair play to him and he would have done the same. For him to have taken the stick he has off of some is not in any way fair.
Belive me when Sharks are at fault I am more than capable of admitting it, I am not the kind of supporter who thinks the sun shine out of my tribes be-hind. That is part of the fun of shipwrecked you pick your tribe and you stick with them through the good and bad. They may not always behave the way I wish they would but being a supporter wouldnt be much fun if they did.
I had a hell of a time last year tring to reconcile the Tigers selling their sole to the devil to get the ghastly Tom of their island. But at the end of the day I had to accept they did a s*** thing for understandble reasons. But it didnt excuse there behaviour. Shipwrecked (and the world in general) isnt black and white.
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Re: anyone know if greg goes back to tigers
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Apr 6, 2009, 14:27 »
No getting away from the fact that when Adam said which island he chose he didnt look that happy!
He looked really upset, and i personally thought he felt incredibly pressured by Greg and the Sharks to get Greg back.
I feel that getting Greg back to Sharks was more important than Adam.
And yes, i agree with Alex, he played some very clever tricks and manipulated better than anyone as his goal was to get back to Sharks.
Agree again with Alex, stupid b****y rules!!!
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Apr 6, 2009, 21:29 »
Hmmm. I think that people are underestimating Adam. he didn't seem like the type who would allow himself to be manipulated. In fact throughout the episode he appeared unfazed by everything going on, saying he just couldn't be bothered to think about it. He was literally not that interested. The truth of the matter is he actually said to camera that he really liked Greg, coupled with the fact that he definitely looked to enjoy his stay on sharks, led him to choose Shark island. Had he been the weak manipulated figure that some of you are making him out to be, he could have chosen tigers, safe in the knowledge that they would look after him, and the sharks would change focus to the next new arrival.
As for Greg, some people seem to forget that this is a game - he has pledged his allegiance to the sharks, and of course he is going to do everything he can to get back there. If he said nothing to Adam about that it would have been weird. As it happened, he let him know how much he wanted to go back, and then even in front of the other sharks, told Adam how lovely the tigers were and how he would have a great time when he went over to tiger island. You can't get much fairer than that. And so what if he ran out to the beach when the sharks were shouting over, anybody would. Tigers stole him as part of the game, they would have been completely naive if they thought Greg would just lose any loyalty to the sharks and suddenly decide he was a tiger. They played the game too by choosing greg because they knew he had a great character and would be an attraction for any new arrival. They admitted themselves that their decision had backfired because not only did the new arrival warm to greg, he warmed to sharks too and wanted to see them all reunited. Simple as that.
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I just felt for the tigers when they were all saying how greg was the one 'shark' that they would trust and thats why they did all say it was ok for him to swim over to see maz this week. and then the next clip was of him saying how that wasnt really his plan and how he wanted to make sure he could get some one on one time with adam without the tigers there.
Anyway he actually spent lots of time with adam by himself!
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I think any of the others would have done the same, Markus said he would if he was over on Sharks. Greg committed himself to Sharks and had a much better time on Sharks so of course he is going to try and get back any way he can, its part of the game this year because of this twist and we will probably see more of it during the rest of the series, so its the producers fault for this ridiculous twist!
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Quote from: werahellzabooze? on Apr 6, 2009, 12:31
Danny is entitled to react however he wants. He is a competive person and is a proud Tiger, so his reaction was in some ways understandle. But given he took Greg from Sharks I would have thought he might have been a bit more diplomatic. But he wasnt and that is his right. But given that it
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his reaction, to then say that Tigers were very supportive of Greg's situation is not in any way accurate. From what we saw some were, some werent.
"You think lying to the Tigers and swimming over to Sharks to get some one on one time with the new arrival isnt manipulative ?"
I dont believe I said there wasnt maniputlation on Greg's part. Infact he admitted it himself. Why shouldnt he fib to them? he didnt ask to be taken to their island. What I do think is that manipulation isnt something that comes naturally to Greg. For a start he admitted out right to Adam his intentions, but said that he wasnt going to go through with it because it isnt him to behave that way then proceded to tell him how nice the Tigers all were and that he would have a great time. Not exactly machevalian behaviour.
Greg is a nice guy who was put in a situation he didnt ask to be in. He responded by acting a little against charachter but good for him I say. The rules of the game changed this week and Greg played it better than Tigers. Danny said fair play to him and he would have done the same. For him to have taken the stick he has off of some is not in any way fair.
Belive me when Sharks are at fault I am more than capable of admitting it, I am not the kind of supporter who thinks the sun shine out of my tribes be-hind. That is part of the fun of shipwrecked you pick your tribe and you stick with them through the good and bad. They may not always behave the way I wish they would but being a supporter wouldnt be much fun if they did.
I had a hell of a time last year tring to reconcile the Tigers selling their sole to the devil to get the ghastly Tom of their island. But at the end of the day I had to accept they did a s*** thing for understandble reasons. But it didnt excuse there behaviour. Shipwrecked (and the world in general) isnt black and white.
I agree with everything you've said. Of course Greg was going to try and get back to Sharks in any way possible. But to call him manipulative is a joke. He was upfront and honest, he even went as far as to tell Adam he would really like the Tigers, and would have a great time with them. Greg is a Shark, it's a game so he is going to try and get back, but i don't think it's in his nature to be sly, he too much of a nice guy.
As for Danny, i really don't like him. He seemed like fun last week, but i think he showed his true colours in this ep. Of course he is entiteled to his opinions, but to start showing aggression towards Greg, when he was the one who stole him, was not a nice thing to see. And as for the Tigers being supportive towards Greg, thats a joke. Both Sonny and Danny admitted that Greg should just forget about the Sharks and get stuck in. What planet are they living on??? Did the Tigers honestly think that Greg was so fickle that he woul just accept the situation!!!
As for Adam, i think people underestimate him. I think he wasn't fazed by any of it, and just wanted to have fun. He based his decision on the fac that he had a great time on Sharks, got on well with everyone, and he genuinly liked Greg, and wanted to see him reunited with Sharks.
As you say sometimes your tribe doesn't always act the way you would hope them to, but you've chosen them and will stick by them through thick and thin. It's a game at the end of the day. I was a Tiger last year, was so glad when they got the unsuffereable Tom off thier Island, but didn't particularly like the way in which they did it. Not everything in life is black and white.
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yeah but greg ,when he swam over to sharks they were all there ,Adam as well ,and greg at first was saying god its so boring and having to watch hermonie and tom playing backgammon so sorry but that was his way of trying to put adam off by painting a bad picture of them ,then quickly went on to say to adam they're a great bunch don't be put off ,then wanted a chat with him on his own which i think the tigers saw ,then when adam came to tigers how many times did he keep bending adam's ear ,i think Danny got annoyed mainly with sharks chanting on 2nd night cos tigers were trying 2 entertain adam but with sharks chanting greg walking off ,after tigers was already supportive of greg thought why bother ,and like he said what they gonna do chant every night greg's here he probably would've been more impressed if they swam over or kidnapped him but chanting 2 nights running yeah bit childish tbh oh and last year tiger tactic was toms idea he was a snake in the grass
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Continuing what i was saying about that snake Tom last year ,not only was it his idea but he kept going on about it ,more for his own benefit so he could move islands ,Carly and Susan was against it but it happened nontheless ,yet once he'd gone ,after sticking the knife in any new arrivals they won fair and square but didn't tom not only blackmail Adelina when he was on sharks but didn't even have the guts 2 tell his tribe he'd promised her and watched her sob her heart out ,then a few weeks later sharks decided 2 plant a mole ,now that is the worse tactic anyone can play especially when they were 2 ahead anyway now that is a dirty stroke but ha ha ha they got their karma cos they lost served them right hypocritical self righteous greedy little morons i loved their faces when they lost it was tv gold
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Ultimately Greg was true to himself. Why should he stay on Tiger Island and not have the best experience he could have which would be on Sharks?
Tigers missed that Adam was a party type. It was Adam who organised the loud beach party. They treated him to a quiet night in. I'm not saying that he didn't appreciated it. Some Tigers lost their cool in front of Adam. Sharks just showed their enthusiasm. They even dressed in the 'naked' costumes at the beach party.
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Whats done is done, As far as im concerned Greg manipulated the situation to his advantage over the next few weeks we will probably see Tigers doing the same on Sharks:P
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Quote from: Alex on Apr 9, 2009, 14:31
Whats done is done, As far as im concerned Greg manipulated the situation to his advantage over the next few weeks we will probably see Tigers doing the same on Sharks:P
He did manipulate. He wasn't the best choice of someone to steal. They should have gone for Bene and try to win her over.
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Quote from: lioness on Apr 9, 2009, 02:27
yeah but greg ,when he swam over to sharks they were all there ,Adam as well ,
and greg at first was saying god its so boring and having to watch hermonie and tom playing backgammon so sorry but that was his way of trying to put adam off by painting a bad picture of them
,then quickly went on to say to adam they're a great bunch don't be put off ,then wanted a chat with him on his own which i think the tigers saw ,then when adam came to tigers how many times did he keep bending adam's ear ,i think Danny got annoyed mainly with sharks chanting on 2nd night cos tigers were trying 2 entertain adam but with sharks chanting greg walking off ,after tigers was already supportive of greg thought why bother ,and like he said what they gonna do chant every night greg's here he probably would've been more impressed if they swam over or kidnapped him but chanting 2 nights running yeah bit childish tbh oh and last year tiger tactic was toms idea he was a snake in the grass
Maybe he was just speaking honestly with his friends, he was bored on Tiger island, he is entitled to say so if he wants to.
I just dont understand this need to see Greg as the bad guy and jump on every apparently negative thing he said, just becuase he did what any other loyal Shark or Tiger would have done and used tactics to get back to his "home".
Its not like he stole candy from a baby. The Tigers have been talking about tactics and winning the game for weeks, and Marcus and Danny at least agreed that what Greg did they would have done to. They can handle it.
It was all in the game
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yes and i did say i don't blame him for showing loyalty 2 his tribe i'd have done what i had to ,to get back i was just annoyed with him cos it was like he didn't even want to speak to tigers ,when i'm sorry but they were supportive of him ,even sonny told him 2 shout across 2 sharks ,i think what they meant was ,it was already looking like sharks was gonna win adam anyway so he'd be going back ,so why couldn't he just relax when it was obvious adam got the picture loud and clear and i think tigers were made out to be the bad guys 4 taking greg but that was the twist they HAD 2 take someone and think tigers genuinely liked greg but he came across as having no time 4 them ,they didn't make the rules last week but certain people on here are blaming them 4 taking him ,like they invented the whole thing stupid producers and these horrible twists wasn't fair on everyone both tribes ,greg and adam
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Yeah personally the Tigers would have been best stealing some one they could have turned into a tiger, much as Rosie seems a hardcore tiger the fact her best friend soodi is now a tiger i was surprised thet Tiger didnt use it to there advantage, Much as greg chose Tigers with franki in week 4 i think he only chose them to keep her happy rather than himself.
Anyway Gregs a Shark and chances are he wont come back now
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Quote from: lioness on Apr 10, 2009, 03:20
i think tigers were made out to be the bad guys 4 taking greg but that was the twist they HAD 2 take someone and think tigers genuinely liked greg but he came across as having no time 4 them ,they didn't make the rules last week but certain people on here are blaming them 4 taking him ,like they invented the whole thing
This is what i dont get, how everyones blaming the tigers for 'stealing' greg, they had to choose someone, and they had always liked greg so naturally chose him. Apart from rosie like what alex said, who else would they have chosen? Sharks are probably gonna be upset whoever went.
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