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« Reply #195 on: May 13, 2009, 21:56 »
You're not alone nmarquez. I really really like Silkie, but i thought her statement was very bigotted. If someone had said something similar against a muslim member there would have been an outrage
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« Reply #196 on: May 13, 2009, 22:16 »
 
Quote from: buckfast67uk on May 13, 2009, 21:56
You're not alone nmarquez. I really really like Silkie, but i thought her statement was very bigotted. If someone had said something similar against a muslim member there would have been an outrage

I wonder what would happened if Doug has objected to 'Lovers Corner' the way Xanthi had objected to the Cross? (OK - Xanthi eventually accepted the cross, but why did he have to bring it up in the first place. He could have just quietly avoided it).
It seems there was a lot of bigotry against Doug because of his religious beliefs.

If someone had said don't give the money to Sasha as she will give it to Jewish causes, or don't give it to Benni as she will give it to African causes, or don't give it to Dan as he will give it to Gay causes, there would have been a total outrage, and people would be writing in and complaining to Channel 4 and Ofcom, and rightfully so.
 
It was fine however for 4 contestants (Xanthi, Mark, Silkie and Hollie) to air their objections about Christianity, the main religion of our country.  You can't stop people from feeling bigoted against certain groups, but you can stop them airing their opinions publically on TV.
Yes its important to stop minorities from being persecuted for their religious beliefs, but not to the point where we can persecute again the majority.
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« Reply #197 on: May 13, 2009, 22:38 »
I don't feel that my opinions were bigotted against Doug, I had thought about it and I didn't want the money going to an institution that openly discriminates against homosexuals etc. I agree that the church does a lot of good but on the flip side it was the institution that taught Doug that homosexuality was wrong.

I would have no problem if someone said to me 'I'm not giving you the 70k because you'll give it to the Fawcett Society', everyone is entitled to what they want to support and conversely what they don't want to support. I'm sure if I'd said to Doug I'm going to give the money to Dawkin's pension fund, he would have said 'actually, I think the money could go better elsewhere....'

We were not persecuting Doug for his beliefs, as some people have said, just not espousing them.
I am an atheist and I would have disagreed with money going to any religion, if I did it would be akin to Silkie giving the money to the Pork Pie Society.
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« Reply #198 on: May 13, 2009, 23:02 »
Quote from: buckfast67uk on May 13, 2009, 21:56
You're not alone nmarquez. I really really like Silkie, but i thought her statement was very bigotted. If someone had said something similar against a muslim member there would have been an outrage

I disagree - I'm not Silkie's biggest fan, infact I'm not a fan of the miserable moaning Carlo at all - but her comment was constructive and fair - I also wouldn't want any of the prize fund to go to religion, be it Christian or Muslim or any other fictionary cult.

Doug himself brought absolutely nothing to the show, at least thats my perception be it subject to bad editing or otherwise - but he was simply an 'entity' on the island, suffering from lack of personality and presence!?
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« Reply #199 on: May 13, 2009, 23:06 »
Hollie my post was more about C4 airing your objections as opposed to you having them. People have basically got inate bigotries, you cannot stop that, but it was wrong of C4 to allow those to be aired.
I guess what I was trying to get across, is that if anyone had said something similar against another religion or race then that would not be aired.

PS I have just Googled the Fawcett Society, and it does alot of good for womans rights. I would give 70K to someone who supported that Wink, but I think I would pass on the 'Pork Pie Society' Cheesy
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« Reply #200 on: May 14, 2009, 00:52 »
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POST REMOVED - Neil, If you were twice as smart as you are now, you’d still be absolutely stupid.

Member BANNED Cheesy
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« Reply #201 on: May 14, 2009, 10:27 »
I agree that Dough shouldn't win because he was not the most noticeable of the shipwreckeds. I liked Greg to win too. But what I am complaning about it's the quick dismissal of somebody for their the believes, and the comments about it.

Comments like Ash calling religions "fictionary cults" are hurtful and unnecessary. I respect completely all atheist, but I don't need to demean them of use pejorative terms!

And I still struggle to understand why is more noble and fair to give the money to somebody to build a business, or pay a mortgage than to give it to an "institution" that mainly does social work. Are more people going to be benefited if Greg gets the money or if Doug give it to a church?

I don't say Doug should have win. I just don't agree with the comments about him.
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« Reply #202 on: May 14, 2009, 11:56 »
Quote from: nmarquez72 on May 13, 2009, 21:09
Well, maybe somebody should have explained to Xanthi that a cross represents Christianity, not a particular denomination, but a whole group of religions. Between those denominations there are some very opposed to homosexuality, there are some how are kind of neutral, and there are some that are starting to accept it. So this idea of Cross=homophobic it is not true at all, I felt hurt by the assumption. There are many Christians out there how are more flexible, and understanding that you think.

And then all those "I wouldn't be happy for that money to go to a church" ... as if it was going to fund something dark and terrible...

Anyway. I know I am a minority here. But I just wanted to state my thoughts....

Well for a start I myself am a Catholic and have a very deep christian faith. So no I am not in the least bit supprised that there are christians's out there that are flexible and understanding because I am one of them. I find the catholic church's stance on homosexuality and contraception (particularly in africa) abhorent.

I am going to credit Xanthi with the inteligance of knowing that the cross isnt a homophobic symbol. That isnt the point.

Doug admitted himself that he did not believe in homosexuality because his faith told him it was wrong, so in this instance living in a confined space with someone with had those belifes I can wholley understand why it was daunting for Xanthi.

Hollie I think explained herself very well and I think shed a lot of light on her and Silkies statements.

Sorry didnt mean to start a debate over this, I was just suprised you took exception to something I genuinley think both parties involved (xanthi and doug) handled with maturity and understanding.
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« Reply #203 on: May 15, 2009, 18:25 »
Quote from: nmarquez72 on May 14, 2009, 10:27
Comments like Ash calling religions "fictionary cults" are hurtful and unnecessary. I respect completely all atheist, but I don't need to demean them of use pejorative terms!

A forum is for free speech, what I stated was my opinion of religion as a whole - I am not an athiest in terms of being 'classified', I just refuse to believe a story that is entirely impossible, non-scientific, nor proven. If its hurtful to you, perhaps reevaluate the strength of your belief as its nothing worse than me stating that 'The Bill is cr*p...'.
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« Reply #204 on: May 15, 2009, 18:56 »
Quote from: Ash on May 15, 2009, 18:25
A forum is for free speech, what I stated was my opinion of religion as a whole - I am not an athiest in terms of being 'classified', I just refuse to believe a story that is entirely impossible, non-scientific, nor proven. If its hurtful to you, perhaps reevaluate the strength of your belief as its nothing worse than me stating that 'The Bill is cr*p...'.

Certainly agree with this i actually find the term ''athiest'' quite insulting if im honest, Unfortunatly in modern day society with all have to be classed in some form even if we are non religious and hold no beliefs.

Again this is all opinion and is in no way ment to offend anyone in anyway.
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« Reply #205 on: May 16, 2009, 13:22 »
Quote from: danevered on May 11, 2009, 23:47
Ok guys. I'm going to sign off on this as my first post seems to have created the most fierce debate on the website :S With regards to people calling me bitter and jealous - I dont know if you noticed on the final episode but I did cheer and run up and hug the sharks when they won even though I was not entirely sure whether I would be able to go back to my island or not. I was so happy to see the friends that I had made out there win as I knew what it meant to them, and as I had built such strong bonds, I was over the moon when Liran chose them.

When returning to the island, we had all assumed we would have been rewarded the prize money. Though it wasn't about the money, we were all stupid enough to spend it in our heads. It was the perfect way to finish the experience and a few of us spent the day talking about plans to move to London together and pay off debts etc. After such a difficult 10 weeks (altho it looks like a holiday, its an emotional rollercoaster), it finally felt like our hard work and determination had paid off. Some of the other wreckers were going to be using their money for much more important reasons than I, and seeing that taken away at the final beach party was difficult. Although it obv changed Gregs life for the better, I still had to see alot of my other friends feel a bit rubbish after the twist.  I fully understand that it is not Gregs fault and I do not feel the need to sit here and defend how our friendship changed off the island. When we first got back, I was still very good friends with him and he used to crash at my flat every now and then after nights out, but as time went on we drifted apart. At the end of the day, I look back on the experience and have made some amazing friends and had a once in a lifetime opportunity which can never be taken away from me. I would do it all over again - the friends ive made were well worth it. 
 
 Cheesy xxx




Very well said Dan!!!
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« Reply #206 on: May 17, 2009, 00:24 »
right
chirstianity are not gays haters!
it agaist there faith to hate
being christistian doest make u homephoibic , some non christian are homephobic
there strong christian gay movement
im christian and got loads of gay / bi friends
i DONT have a problem with it
if christian label gay people wrong they need to look at themself more!
are they perfect NO!
then dont give gays cr*p!
they dont choice it , they didnt plan it
christian can choice to hate , swear , so on
but gay people cant choice their sexuality
xthani was right a lot of christian are gay haters but they using their  faith as justicefaction , whinch is wrong!
non christian can be gay haters , so can athiest
christianity is about love , not hate
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« Reply #207 on: May 18, 2009, 02:08 »
Frankie and Maz interviewing Greg. They all seemed a bit worse for wear, but having fun anyway. Grin

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=80232040185&oid=44185059754#w576-h318
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« Reply #208 on: May 21, 2009, 18:42 »
I think that it was a bit unfair of producers to give one person all the money and not share it out, but the way people have made poor Greg feel is so wrong.  I can see why some would feel agrieved by losing out on the money, but it was def not his fault.  It was obvious that he was a bit embarrassed by the whole thing as well as being happy to win a life changing amount of money. 

Mark I really think you need to grow up a bit as despite you being very funny and witty, you are a bit spitful.

Greg was one of my fav islanders and I prob would have voted for him too if I had been a Tiger.  He obviously bonded with people from both islands and this helped his case.  Some of the Sharks were so intense with the competition that they seemed to really dislike people, just because they were Tigers. 

In the end everyone had a great experience, never to be repeated, and should be grateful that they have something to tell their grandkids in years to come.  You all must have made some life long friends, which I can tell you are not always easy to find, having spent so long in certain peoples company.  I am sure that you all prob spent more time mixing with people on that island than you did with friends you have known for year.

Just forget about Greg taking all the money and think of the great experience you had.
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« Reply #209 on: May 27, 2009, 15:53 »
if you notice, MCJ actually said that greg wins before the end of they announced so maybe he was undercover??
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